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		<title>Max/Msp for Live with Ableton Live 8.1 Final REVIEW (max for live)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>parasew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a review of „max for live“ using Ableton Live 8.1 FINAL and max/msp 5.1 on a Mac OSX 10.5.8 Core2Duo Intel MacBook Pro. As I am a frequent user of all kinds of visual DSP systems for quite a while now: pure data (PD), max/msp, vvvv, nord modular OS, etc. - so I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a review of „max for live“ using Ableton Live 8.1 FINAL and max/msp 5.1 on a Mac OSX 10.5.8 Core2Duo Intel MacBook Pro. As I am a frequent user of all kinds of visual DSP systems for quite a while now: <a href="http://www.puredata.org/">pure data (PD)</a>, <a href="http://www.cycling74.com/products/max5">max/msp</a>, <a href="http://vvvv.org/">vvvv</a>, <a href="http://www.clavia.com/main.asp?tm=Products&amp;clpm=Nord_Modular_G2">nord modular OS</a>, etc. - so I am quite dazzled what max for live has to offer. (<a href="http://www.nanofunk.net/max-for-live-ableton-8-1-final-review" title="ableton live and max/msp max for live final review on nanofunk.net">Read the full Entry</a> to see the Review)</p>
<p><img src="http://www.nanofunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/maxforlive_toolbox.png" alt="maxforlive_toolbox.png" border="0" width="531" height="220" class="aligncenter" /></p>
<p>Instruments, Audio Effects, Midi Effects - but of course, this is not all of the cake. Imagine you can create user-interface elements however you please and also assign MIDI to that interface parts. This brings Ableton Live huge steps forward: the possibility to extend ableton to include a full featured audiovisual prototyping environment and to interface with the world: be it sensors, webservices or other Ableton Live installations.</p>
<p><span id="more-195"></span><strong>1. Installation and Setup</strong></p>
<p>Ableton Live Suite 8.1 (1.4GB download size!) and max/msp 5.1. are out in final versions as of today. As a happy Ableton and max/msp owner, the crossgrade was only 79€ for me (including VAT).</p>
<p>
Right after Live starts up it has to be authorized, so all the extensions would be usable. After everything is set up, the following popup should be visible:</p>
<p><img src="http://www.nanofunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/nanofunk_maxforlive_installation_ready.png" alt="nanofunk_creating_livepack_from_ableton_beta.png" title="nanofunk_creating_livepack_from_ableton_beta.png" class="aligncenter" /></p>
<p><strong>2. Overview</strong></p>
<p>There are 3 different ways to include Max for Live patches into Ableton. </p>
<p>a) Instruments<br />
Instruments would be a Synthesizer, a Sampler, etc.<br />
Input: MIDI, Output: Audio</p>
<p>b) Audio Effects<br />
Imagine any Audio Effect you can build here - let's say a Reverb for now.<br />
Input: Audio, Output: Audio</p>
<p>c) MIDI Effects<br />
Controlling and modifying the MIDI flow - like arpeggiators, mathematical functions, midi-sequencers, whatever.<br />
Input: MIDI (or controller values), Output: MIDI</p>
<p>Of course, the whole bandwidth of max/msp is much more than only that. With Max for Live, now it is possible to use <a href="http://www.nealfarwell.co.uk/sensors_interactive.html">sensoric interfaces</a> directly with Ableton Live: such as the <a href="http://infusionsystems.com/catalog/index.php">i-cube</a>, the <a href="http://www.nanofunk.net/new-arduino-mega-microcontroller-board/">arduino microcontroller board</a> and so much else (for example the <a href="http://vipre.uws.edu.au/tiem/?tag=sensor-glove">wireless MIDI Glove</a>).</p>
<p>Interfacing to the "outside world" is also quite easy with max/msp: the netsend and netreceive objects let you connect via socket to e.g. a webservice, RSS-feed, whatever.<br />
See also: <a href="http://maxforlive.loadbang.net/ableton-live-learns-how-to-tweet">Max for Live and twitter integration</a>, the <a href="http://www.akustische-kunst.org/">shoutcast~</a> and <a href="http://www.remu.fr/sound-delta/netsend~/?page_id=7">netsend~</a> objects for sending your audio stream around.</p>
<p><strong>3. First Steps</strong></p>
<p><img src="http://www.nanofunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/nanofunk-full-screenshot-abletonlivemax.png" alt="screenshot of ableton live 8.1 beta with max for live" title="screenshot of ableton live 8.1 beta with max for live" class="aligncenter" /></p>
<p>In the screenshot above you see where the "Max Instrument" can be found in Ableton Live. In the right corner you can also see the first Instrument example I built: a sine wave oscillator.</p>
<p>a) <strong>Example: Sine Wave Oscillator Instrument with Signal Oscilloscope</strong> [<a href="http://www.nanofunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/01_sine_wave_oscilator.amxd_.zip">download the patch</a>]</p>
<p><img src="http://www.nanofunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/nanofunk-ableton-maxforlive-sine-wave-oscillator.png" alt="Sine Wave Oscillator Instrument with Signal Oscilloscope" title="Sine Wave Oscillator Instrument with Signal Oscilloscope" class="aligncenter" class="aligncenter" /></p>
<p>This is a very basic patch: <strong>notein</strong> gets the MIDI note played, <strong>ddg.mono</strong> simplifies monosynth creation by dealing with last-note priority and note-on/note-off pairing, <strong>mtof</strong> (MIDI to frequency) translates the MIDI note to a frequency which is pushed to the <strong>cycle~</strong> object (sine wave generator). The cycle~ then sends its audio-output to <strong>plugout~</strong> which gets routed back to Ableton Live. Play the Sine Wave Oscillator as you would play any other instrument in Ableton Live: either via keyboard or via MIDI tracks.</p>
<p>b) <strong>Example: Simple Delay</strong> [<a href="http://www.nanofunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/02_simple_delay.amxd_.zip">download the patch</a>]</p>
<div style="text-align:center;"><img src="http://www.nanofunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/nanofunk-simple-delay-max_for_live.png" alt="nanofunk-simple-delay-max_for_live.png" border="0" width="320" height="194" /></div>
<p>This is also a rather simple patch. The incoming signal is delayed for a specific amount of time using the <strong>tapin~</strong> and <strong>tapout~</strong> objects. The tapin~ object is a continually updated buffer that stores the most recent signal it has received, and <strong>tapout~</strong> accesses that buffer at one or more specific points in the past. The sound is mixed with its delayed version to create a sort of reflection.</p>
<p>What you can see in the screenshot below is how to implement images in patches that get loaded also to Ableton (using the fpic object) and which part is actually displayed in Live: everything below the black line is "invisible".<br />
Test out the patch with the presets and also try to change the tapin~ and tapout~ values (use it as an audio effect on any soundfile. percussion or drums may be the best to hear the difference).</p>
<div style="text-align:center;"><img src="http://www.nanofunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/nanofunk-simple-delay-max_for_live-full-patch.png" alt="nanofunk-simple-delay-max_for_live-full-patch.png" border="0" width="294" height="374" /></div>
<p><br/><br />
c) <strong>Example: 8-Step-MIDI-Repeat</strong> [<a href="http://www.nanofunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/03_midi_8step.amxd_.zip">download the patch</a>]</p>
<div style="text-align:center;"><img src="http://www.nanofunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/nanofunk-8step-midi-sequencer-hidden.png" alt="nanofunk-8step-midi-sequencer-hidden.png" border="0" width="287" height="326" /></div>
<p>The patch is also really simple: a <strong>line</strong> object counts from 1 to 9, resetting itself to 1 when it reaches 9 (=8 step), the <strong>select</strong> object checks for values between 1 and 8 and sends the according bang messages to the lights on top. the lights also trigger the <strong>int</strong> object, that saves values and outputs them on demand. this <strong>int</strong> objects are used to save the state of the checkboxes.<br />
everytime an int object outputs a 1 (checkbox=checked), the <strong>select</strong> object on the right side sends the last <strong>notein</strong> event to a <strong>noteout</strong> object, causing the last note to be played again.</p>
<div style="text-align:center;"><img src="http://www.nanofunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/nanofunk-8step-midi-sequencer-wired.png" alt="nanofunk-8step-midi-sequencer-wired.png" border="0" width="289" height="336" /></div>
<p>The difference between the two above screenshots is: hidden objects. Objects that you don't want to be visible in your Ableton Live surface you can hide with Object -> Hide on Lock (Apple+K).</p>
<div style="text-align:center;"><img src="http://www.nanofunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/nanofunk-8step-midi-sequencer-ableton.png" alt="nanofunk-8step-midi-sequencer-ableton.png" border="0" width="566" height="327" /></div>
<p>Patch No.3 repeats your last played note in a step-sequencer style: however you checked your checkboxes, every time the light is active over a checked box, the last note will be played again. Test the 3 different presets and also the freestyle option (entering numbers on your own). Be careful with too low and negative numbers.</p>
<p><strong>3. Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>Max for Live is not only a very huge extension to Ableton Live (as stated above, a lot is possible now, from interfacing with hardware to webservices) but also finally a step in the right direction for the said to be lazy "ableton users": while the mainstream of ableton users use similar effects and instruments, this will change from now on. Instrument-directories such as on <a href="http://maxforlive.com/">maxforlive.com</a> feature lots of already available patches.<br />
Another positive point is since max/msp is there much longer than Ableton Live and there is lots of educational content, tutorials etc. around. This could bring more people to look and learn about DSP and sound engineering als well as the physics behind audio.</p>
<p>Max for Live has still a few bugs - but what is there already is really something! Maybe one has to see it like this: in the end max/msp got a really cool sequencer ;)</p>
<p><strong>4. Ressources</strong></p>
<p>
* <a href="http://www.ableton.com/maxforlive">ableton.com maxforlive product page</a><br />
* <a href="http://cycling74.com/products/">cycling74 product page for max/msp</a><br />
* <a href="http://www.maxforlive.com">maxforlive.com</a><br />
* <a href="http://cycling74.com/2009/11/22/the-edit-button-has-been-pressed/#more-3443">cycling74: the edit button has been pressed</a><br />
* <a href="http://cycling74.com/docs/max5/vignettes/intro/docintro.html">max 5 help and documentation</a><br />

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		<title>Beta: Ableton Live 8.1 with Max/Msp for Live</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>parasew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[How cool is that? registered users of Ableton Live and Max/Msp can sign up for the beta program of Max for Live (it's actually only a click, much different from Google Wave ;) The only problem is: you need to own Ableton Live and Cycling74's Max/Msp 5 (which i actually do). For now you can [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How cool is that? registered users of Ableton Live and Max/Msp can sign up for the <a href="http://www.ableton.com/maxforlive/beta">beta program of Max for Live</a> (it's actually only a click, much different from Google Wave ;)<br />
The only problem is: you need to own Ableton Live and Cycling74's Max/Msp 5 (which i actually do).<br />
For now you can watch the Video from the Ableton Site, until i can post some hands-on-pictures and a full review (to be available in the next days).</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>parasew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ableton Live was updated to version 8.0.9. Read the Changes from Live 8.0.8 to Live 8.0.9 below or find the previous ChangeLogs in the Ableton Forums. This is a minor Bugfix release, that deals with the Axiom Pro and the Oxygen 3rd generation controllers; small Bugs regarding the Sampler and Volume automation were also squashed, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ableton Live was updated to version 8.0.9. Read the Changes from Live 8.0.8 to Live 8.0.9 below or find the previous ChangeLogs in the <a href="http://forum.ableton.com/viewforum.php?f=8">Ableton Forums</a>. This is a minor Bugfix release, that deals with the Axiom Pro and the Oxygen 3rd generation controllers; small Bugs regarding the Sampler and Volume automation were also squashed, but not much more.<br />
<span id="more-141"></span><br />
<strong>Changes from Live 8.0.8 to Live 8.0.9</strong><br />
<em>Improvements:</em></p>
<ul>
<li>Updated manuals</li>
<li>Updated Help Pages</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Bugfixes:</em></p>
<ul>
<li>Surface controller support for the Oxygen 3rd generation</li>
<li>Using the Axiom Pro as controller surface would not work properly with certain effects and instruments</li>
<li>Under certain conditions, a volume automation would not work properly [6005]</li>
<li>The mouse handling of certain Sampler parameters would not work properly [5961]</li>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ableton Live was updated to version 8.0.8. Read the Changes from Live 8.0.5 to Live 8.0.8 below or find the previous ChangeLogs in the Ableton Forums. While the update mainly adds the support for the new Novation Launchpad Controller and improves support for the AxiomPro Controllers, some important bugfixes have been implemented. Live should work [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ableton Live was updated to version 8.0.8. Read the Changes from Live 8.0.5 to Live 8.0.8 below or find the previous ChangeLogs in the <a href="http://forum.ableton.com/viewforum.php?f=8">Ableton Forums</a>. While the update mainly adds the support for the new Novation Launchpad Controller and improves support for the AxiomPro Controllers, some important bugfixes have been implemented. Live should work on Snow Leopard now (crashed or froze when running another Audio app before, e.g. iTunes). Other Bugfixes are adressing the Arranger and some small bugs regarding Loop points. An update is recommended for all Ableton Live users.<br />
<span id="more-122"></span></p>
<p><strong>Changes from Live 8.0.5 to Live 8.0.8</strong></p>
<p><em>Improvements:</em></p>
<ul>
<li>Updated manuals</li>
<li>Updated Help Pages</li>
<li>Control Surface support for Novation Launchpad</li>
<li>Several improvements for the AxiomPro Controllers</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Bugfixes:</em></p>
<ul>
<li>Using the double/halve tempo buttons of the Looper could introduce an audible offset [5857]</li>
<li>Playing MIDI could crash Live when multi-core support is enabled [5608]</li>
<li>If the slot button below a disabled Session clip has been removed, the disabled clip would not respect this and act as stop button [5872]</li>
<li>In the Arranger, auto scrolling would not work properly when dragging tracks [5865]</li>
<li>On Mac OS X, open the application menu would not close an open context menu [5768]</li>
<li>On Mac OS X, using a Remote SL and loading a particular Live set with a Fab Filter Twin 2 would crash Live</li>
<li>On Mac OS X, the Key stroke handling for AudioUnits using Cocoa views would not work properly</li>
<li>On Mac OS X 10.6.x, starting Live with a template set that contains audio clips, and with another CoreAudio client running at the same time (e.g. iTunes), would freeze Live. Also, changing sample rates in Live would not work properly</li>
<li>Replacing a Macro mapping with a Key mapping could crash Live [5913]</li>
<li>Return track header selection would not work properly [5677]</li>
<li>On Mac OS X, Audio Units, wrapped by Novation Automap, would not appear in the right folders [5752]</li>
<li>Setting an MTC start offset to a negative value would not show the value properly [5456]</li>
<li>Grabbing and moving the left edge of an Arranger loop while the loop start is out of the view would not behave properly [5216]</li>
<li>In the Arranger, scrolling would not work properly when dragging or moving tracks [5139]</li>
<li>Under certain conditions, the LFO of the Sampler would not work properly</li>
<li>Switching banks via remote script would not be indicated in the status bar [5969]</li>
<li>Switching on track-solo would not work properly in exclusive mode when switching via the APC controller [5838]</li>
<li>Unsupported multi channel audio files would crash Live [5995]</li>
<li>When exporting an video file, the resulting video file would grow on each export instead to be replaced [5996]</li>
<li>On Mac OS X, when typing the name of an existing file, but without the extension, Live would overwrite the existing file without asking for confirmation</li>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>parasew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Native Instruments Komplete 6 was announced some days ago. As a proud owner of Komplete 5 i am looking forward for the update. The previous Komplete Version was a total bargain for me, since i got it within the Kompletely INSANE Sale for just 399€. Since the new Komplete will be €499, it is even [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_65" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 545px"><img src="http://www.nanofunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ni_komplete6.png" alt="Native Instruments Komplete 6" title="Native Instruments Komplete 6" width="535" height="339" class="size-full wp-image-65" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Native Instruments Komplete 6</p></div>
<p>Native Instruments Komplete 6 was announced some days ago. As a proud owner of Komplete 5 i am looking forward for the update. The previous Komplete Version was a total bargain for me, since i got it within the <a href="http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2009/07/02/native-instruments-kompletely-insane-sale/">Kompletely INSANE Sale</a> for just 399€. Since the new Komplete will be €499, it is even cheaper for people to get the new version as to upgrade from version 5. (damn, I should have waited. but who cares, I love my FM8[<a href='http://www.nanofunk.net/wp-admin/page-new.php?post_title=FM8' class='nonexistant_page' title='Create this page (requires a valid "contributer" account)'>?</a>])</p>
<p>Key features of NI Komplete 6 are: Kontakt 4, Absynth 5 and Guitar Rig 4 Pro. (See the<a href="http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/products/producer/komplete-6/?page=980&#038;utm_campaign=komplete6_update_newsletter&#038;utm_medium=newsletter&#038;utm_source=komplete6"> Native Instruments Page on Komplete 6</a> for all news regarding version 6). I will post an in-depth review when i received my update.</p>
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